Podcasts in a Car After The Movies (Out of Focus Episode 40)

You can listen to Episode 40: Is Joker a Dangerous Film? right here.

You know when you go to the movies with friends and you spend the car ride home talking about it, arguing, debating, or just having great conversation about what you just watched?

This is probably the most cherished part of the movie-going experience for me (when I don’t go see movies alone, which I also enjoy), and some of the deepest conversations come from this small window of time.

Anna and I have a movie podcast, called You, Me, and a Movie, which came out of our annual Christmas podcast You, Me, and Carol, a podcast we’ve done for 5 years straight now. It’s been a great way for us to spend time together, and recording our conversations about movies that we always have. We’ve had the idea for a while to podcast in the car home after seeing a movie, and we finally did it, capturing our raw, untested thoughts.


Joker was the perfect movie for this type of podcasting, for sure. The only conversation that would have beaten it, which I wish was recorded, was our marriage straining argument about Glass.

This movie has a lot of problems, and is extremely dark. The more I chew on this film, the more I think I dislike it. I’ve heard from many people I love and respect that it’s a powerful film, and to be honest, I’m not sure I agree. I believe it has nothing to say, and it doesn’t really add anything to the Batman world. Joker is better without an origin story, and there’s no world where I feel like this iteration of The Joker ends up being the genius super-villain that is able to take on the World’s Greatest Detective.

I watched The Dark Knight this week, and I still feel like Heath Ledger’s Joker is undefeated. Not only that, but the movie shows us that the Joker’s ideas about humanity are wrong. You get an excellent performance from Heath Ledger, but you also get Batman as the moral compass of the film.

In Joker, you don’t get any of that. You get a nihilistic world where you understand why the Joker is the way he is, with no premise or character to act as a foil to his psychopathic ways. It’s a world where people are as awful as Heath Ledger’s Joker predicts when he believes on boat of people will blow up the other.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think it’s a bad movie, but I’m really just not a fan of what it’s doing. Joaquin Phoenix does excellent, freaky work, and the cinematography and color palette is really incredible and engrossing. I’m not a believer that every superhero movie needs to be a Marvel movie, and I’m all for people taking chances with story and characters, I just think this one misses the point of why we like superhero movies.

I’ll let you listen to the podcast to hear the rest of my thoughts, mine, Anna, and Kelsey’s thoughts on the film on our drive home.

You can listen to Episode 40: Is Joker a Dangerous Film? right here.

You can also check out the rest of our movie podcasts here.

PS: I’m working on some new stuff to try on the podcast, we will still be doing guest episodes as our main episodes, but I may be adding mini-episodes about certain topics more often. Stay tuned! Episode 41 will return to form a bit with a really great interview about the ad world and marketing. See you then!